Update ! http://www.sleipnirstuff.com/forum/view ... 254#306254
New version 0.2 : A at 160cells, B at 128cells.
(Also, added mo's post as WIP / and materia's as abandoned, as discussed in-game. Feel free to correct if any error)
Team maps Mapmaking Workshop (2v2, 3v3)
Need for new good-quality, competitive maps
My (dormant) YouTube channel : FRenzy OpenRA
Join the map-making train here
-
james.bong
- Posts: 9
- Joined: Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:52 pm
Revision 3 of Burning Plain, updates:
- Reworked ore a little more with a slight increase per player
- Added an additional ore mine per player
- Reworked the centre to be less chokey and more interesting
https://resource.openra.net/maps/25365
- Reworked ore a little more with a slight increase per player
- Added an additional ore mine per player
- Reworked the centre to be less chokey and more interesting
https://resource.openra.net/maps/25365
New revision of Climax up. https://resource.openra.net/maps/24981/
Tried to make the bottom passages an viable option, giving more mixed gameplay. Let me know what you guys think.
Tried to make the bottom passages an viable option, giving more mixed gameplay. Let me know what you guys think.
First revision of Coldsnap is out.
Things of interest:
2v2
99x156
~210000k
Bottom most spawns start with the standard 3 ore mines and have 2 expansion mines.
Uppermost spawns only start with 2 ore mines but have 3 expansion mines.
Upper half of the map is split by a river and contains 4 "safe" ore mines and 1 "safe" gem mine per side. The gem mines are also based near the shore for easy destroyer harassment and buried in ore so they won't produce until cleaned up. 3 additional ore mines are centered in 2 contestable fields.
8 oil on the bottom half and 4 more on the top.
2 hospitals on the top
1 communications center on the top
1 communications center on the bottom but can only be accessed from the river.
2 command centers on the top placed next to the primary ore fields for each side.
2 command centers on the bottom placed next to the river to allow river access without moving an mcv. Also allows access to 2 thin ore mines.
I think this map has a lot of potential for different strategies. expanding to the top seems mandatory but I think there is enough ore on the bottom that a team could try to end it early.
Things of interest:
2v2
99x156
~210000k
Bottom most spawns start with the standard 3 ore mines and have 2 expansion mines.
Uppermost spawns only start with 2 ore mines but have 3 expansion mines.
Upper half of the map is split by a river and contains 4 "safe" ore mines and 1 "safe" gem mine per side. The gem mines are also based near the shore for easy destroyer harassment and buried in ore so they won't produce until cleaned up. 3 additional ore mines are centered in 2 contestable fields.
8 oil on the bottom half and 4 more on the top.
2 hospitals on the top
1 communications center on the top
1 communications center on the bottom but can only be accessed from the river.
2 command centers on the top placed next to the primary ore fields for each side.
2 command centers on the bottom placed next to the river to allow river access without moving an mcv. Also allows access to 2 thin ore mines.
I think this map has a lot of potential for different strategies. expanding to the top seems mandatory but I think there is enough ore on the bottom that a team could try to end it early.
Re: Team maps Mapmaking Workshop (2v2, 3v3)
3v3 map : Daybreak - by FRenzy
Current status : Published
Link : https://resource.openra.net/maps/29488/
VERSIONS :
v7 :
Removed the unwanted spawn of neutral Harvesters.
Capturable buildings : 2 Refineries, 2 Barracks, 2 Oil derricks, and 2 Airfields (with Ukraine's support powers).
Capturable vehicles : 2x (Mammoth + Mobile Gap Gen + Medium Tank). All capturable with Hijackers / Mechanics.
v6 :
Added capturables : buildings and tanks.
Making middle more capturable / contestable, but less valuable for MCV movement at start.
Decoration.
v5 :
Same size (140²), reworked expansions : three main lanes, but some overlapping between two adjacent allies.
v4 :
From 160x140 to 140x140 (removed corner expansions, more balanced)
v3 :
Changed size : 160x140
v2 :
Smaller version : from 180x140 to 160x120
v1 :
3v3 map
Current status : Published
Link : https://resource.openra.net/maps/29488/
VERSIONS :
v7 :
Removed the unwanted spawn of neutral Harvesters.
Capturable buildings : 2 Refineries, 2 Barracks, 2 Oil derricks, and 2 Airfields (with Ukraine's support powers).
Capturable vehicles : 2x (Mammoth + Mobile Gap Gen + Medium Tank). All capturable with Hijackers / Mechanics.
v6 :
Added capturables : buildings and tanks.
Making middle more capturable / contestable, but less valuable for MCV movement at start.
Decoration.
v5 :
Same size (140²), reworked expansions : three main lanes, but some overlapping between two adjacent allies.
v4 :
From 160x140 to 140x140 (removed corner expansions, more balanced)
v3 :
Changed size : 160x140
v2 :
Smaller version : from 180x140 to 160x120
v1 :
3v3 map
Last edited by FRenzy on Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:10 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Re: Team maps Mapmaking Workshop (2v2, 3v3)
A quick update on the Climax project.
Moving armies from the center towards the top and bottom landridges was hard, pathing and performance werent optimal. So i went ahead and create at least 4 tile wide landridges to connect top and bottom instead of the bridges and instead of the small passages.
The broken bridges remain in place.
Moving armies from the center towards the top and bottom landridges was hard, pathing and performance werent optimal. So i went ahead and create at least 4 tile wide landridges to connect top and bottom instead of the bridges and instead of the small passages.
The broken bridges remain in place.
Re: Team maps Mapmaking Workshop (2v2, 3v3)
3v3 map : Frostmourne [X] - by FRenzy
Current status : published - WIP again, v9
https://resource.openra.net/maps/29729/
***************
FRenzy's [X] mod maps include :
- Symmetrical refineries accessible by 4 sides (FRenzy, Widow, MustaphaTR)
- Garrisonable buildings. Contain 5 soldiers. Needs to be insta-captured by any soldier. (ELoyros, FRenzy, MustaphaTR)
- Adapted buildings from TS mod (FRenzy)
***************
Frostmourne map :
> Garrisons near the expansion ore patches.
> Capturable buildings : 2x Refineries / 4 Oil derricks / 1x [Barracks + Forward Command] / 1x Airfield (with Ukraine's support powers).
> Capturable vehicles (neutral) : 1x [Heavy Tank + Medium Tank] (near Forward Command). Capture them with Hijackers / Mechanics (husks).
***************
VERSIONS :
- V9 :
Made [X] mod (especially introduction of TS buildings)
More squared map (narrower).
Removed a few capturables.
- V8 : Added flags when buildings are garrisoned.
Also updated Map Thumbnail with MustaphaTR's new preview tool.
- V7 : Added modded refineries, garrisonable buildings (near ore patches).
Some modifications (reduced the air capture point, changed ore patches.
- V6 : Added cliffs at main bases to separate players + sandbags to protect the bases.
Added strategical capture points (eco, forward base, air + parabombs).
More decorative.
- V5 : ore patches looking better. Down to 395k$
- V4 : reduced a few chokes, more decoration
- V3 : visual changes : more landmarks
- V2 : smaller, more ore
3v3, 150x140, 488k$, 3 starting mines /player + 10 additional mines /team
- V1 : 3v3, 170x140, 353k$, 3 starting mines /player + 10 additional mines /team
Timelapse of the making : (until v4 I think)
Took me around 2-3 hour(for version 1). Maybe 1/2- 1h designing the map on Inkscape / Photoshop, then 2 good hours editing the map in the Map Editor.
Current status : published - WIP again, v9
https://resource.openra.net/maps/29729/
***************
FRenzy's [X] mod maps include :
- Symmetrical refineries accessible by 4 sides (FRenzy, Widow, MustaphaTR)
- Garrisonable buildings. Contain 5 soldiers. Needs to be insta-captured by any soldier. (ELoyros, FRenzy, MustaphaTR)
- Adapted buildings from TS mod (FRenzy)
***************
Frostmourne map :
> Garrisons near the expansion ore patches.
> Capturable buildings : 2x Refineries / 4 Oil derricks / 1x [Barracks + Forward Command] / 1x Airfield (with Ukraine's support powers).
> Capturable vehicles (neutral) : 1x [Heavy Tank + Medium Tank] (near Forward Command). Capture them with Hijackers / Mechanics (husks).
***************
VERSIONS :
- V9 :
Made [X] mod (especially introduction of TS buildings)
More squared map (narrower).
Removed a few capturables.
- V8 : Added flags when buildings are garrisoned.
Also updated Map Thumbnail with MustaphaTR's new preview tool.
- V7 : Added modded refineries, garrisonable buildings (near ore patches).
Some modifications (reduced the air capture point, changed ore patches.
- V6 : Added cliffs at main bases to separate players + sandbags to protect the bases.
Added strategical capture points (eco, forward base, air + parabombs).
More decorative.
- V5 : ore patches looking better. Down to 395k$
- V4 : reduced a few chokes, more decoration
- V3 : visual changes : more landmarks
- V2 : smaller, more ore
3v3, 150x140, 488k$, 3 starting mines /player + 10 additional mines /team
- V1 : 3v3, 170x140, 353k$, 3 starting mines /player + 10 additional mines /team
Timelapse of the making : (until v4 I think)
Took me around 2-3 hour(for version 1). Maybe 1/2- 1h designing the map on Inkscape / Photoshop, then 2 good hours editing the map in the Map Editor.
Last edited by FRenzy on Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:32 am, edited 12 times in total.
Re: Team maps Mapmaking Workshop (2v2, 3v3)
Nice map. Reminds me of south by south west.
My 3vs3 is slowly coming along. Though it's aimed at keeping in with the style of campy/naval high tech play with a little room for army movement.
My 3vs3 is slowly coming along. Though it's aimed at keeping in with the style of campy/naval high tech play with a little room for army movement.
Re: Team maps Mapmaking Workshop (2v2, 3v3)
2v2 map : Diffraction - by FRenzy
Current version : v4
Link : https://resource.openra.net/maps/29487
INFORMATION :
Map maker : FRenzy
Inspiration : SoScared's "Interference". Suggested idea by wippie.
Tools : SirCake's MapSketchGenerator, Inkscape, Photoshop
VERSIONS :
v4 :
- Profoundly changed the structure again :
Pushed the spawns towards the edges. It was difficult otherwise to fit in everything at correct distances ...
- Reduced the capturables a bit (less space taken)
v3 :
- Changed the structure, same size.
- Added the capturables from the map Frostmourne.
The constested zones are less for ore, more for capturable points.
v2 :
- Removed unnecessary rules.
v1 :
- 4p, 128x128, 353k$, 2 oil, 2 hospital, 4 Forward Command. 34 mines, 3 at start per player.
PROCESS :
v2 :
Idea : suggested by wippie to transform 1v1 Interference into a 4pl map. Should work as 2v2 or FFA, so each player faces center of the map.
Analysis of Interference : in terms of lanes / Adaptation for 4p :
Iterations :
Narrower lanes ?
Trees only ?
Mix of the two. Using trees for the interfering waves + redrawn ore patches / Final result :
Current version : v4
Link : https://resource.openra.net/maps/29487
INFORMATION :
Map maker : FRenzy
Inspiration : SoScared's "Interference". Suggested idea by wippie.
Tools : SirCake's MapSketchGenerator, Inkscape, Photoshop
VERSIONS :
v4 :
- Profoundly changed the structure again :
Pushed the spawns towards the edges. It was difficult otherwise to fit in everything at correct distances ...
- Reduced the capturables a bit (less space taken)
v3 :
- Changed the structure, same size.
- Added the capturables from the map Frostmourne.
The constested zones are less for ore, more for capturable points.
v2 :
- Removed unnecessary rules.
v1 :
- 4p, 128x128, 353k$, 2 oil, 2 hospital, 4 Forward Command. 34 mines, 3 at start per player.
PROCESS :
v2 :
Idea : suggested by wippie to transform 1v1 Interference into a 4pl map. Should work as 2v2 or FFA, so each player faces center of the map.
Analysis of Interference : in terms of lanes / Adaptation for 4p :
Iterations :
Narrower lanes ?
Trees only ?
Mix of the two. Using trees for the interfering waves + redrawn ore patches / Final result :
Last edited by FRenzy on Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:09 pm, edited 2 times in total.
-
james.bong
- Posts: 9
- Joined: Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:52 pm
Re: Team maps Mapmaking Workshop (2v2, 3v3)
A map I made back in January. I forgot to upload this 2nd revision to the resource center.
Can be played as FFA or 2v2:
https://resource.openra.net/maps/27578/
Can be played as FFA or 2v2:
https://resource.openra.net/maps/27578/
Re: Team maps Mapmaking Workshop (2v2, 3v3)
Boiling Lakes. 3vs3. Naval. Large 200x200 map. Plenty of room to move, expand and flank on forward positions.
https://resource.openra.net/maps/27659/
https://resource.openra.net/maps/27659/
Re: Team maps Mapmaking Workshop (2v2, 3v3)
FRenzy wrote: Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:42 am ************************************************************************************
Need for maps :
Recently, there was this interesting discussion started by OMnom on how to create competitive maps, what are the ingredients to make a good-quality map, that allows for diverse gameplay and strategical depth.
A great work has been done on developing the 1v1 map-pool, with now a dozen maps used in daily matches and competitions alike, some of which are now part of the Official map pool. Creative maps are being furthermore developed, such as he SoS maps with capturable buildings, mo's maps exploring the usage of water and bridges, and many more ...
However, from my own perspective, I have been very frustrated with the existing team maps offer, as most of these are not even close to the quality standard that is taking shape in the 1v1 map scene. From my point of view, nearly 90% of the team maps in the official map pool, and even in the community-made one, present major flaws in their design.
I think it is a good time to work on the team map offer ! Not only this would create more enjoyable games for the existing player base, but this is also very needed for the image of OpenRA towards newcomers, as team games might probably more comfortable and attractive to them than competitive 1v1. In other words, team maps are an important part of OpenRA's vitrine.
************************************************************************************
The workshop :
In this workshop, I'd like to focus exclusively on 2v2 and 3v3 maps. I think this is a good start to start developing quality maps : adapting the qualities of 1v1 maps on this category will be easier. Furthermore, I think the dimension of a map, which is related to the number of lanes, to the players positioning, ... is a physical limit to a map's quality. Therefore, good 4v4+ maps might become a bit gigantic, and harder to develop. So let's focus now on 2v2 and 3v3, for a start.
Of course, everybody is encouraged to participate here, to propose new maps, to give suggestions and criticism on the proposed maps, to tweak them, to discuss, to make sketchy drawings, etc ... This is an open workshop, feel free to propose what you want !
Map-making is not an easy task, so everybody's help and insight is welcome
In this original post, I will sort and group all the WIPs and final maps.
Also, this is different, but maybe complementary to NoobMapMaker's Map Design Contest. This workshop is more a long-run effort, that will probably take longer in time. I raelly want the final results to be as good as in the 1v1 pool. So there's a need to take the time and probably go through multiple iterations, until starting to get good results.
But NoobMapMaker, if you see any connection that should/could be made with your Contest, I'd be glad to do that !
************************************************************************************
Toolbox :
Design checklist / process : viewtopic.php?p=303121#p303121
Maps References : viewtopic.php?p=303332#p303332
Map making tools & tips : viewtopic.php?p=303338#p303338
************************************************************************************
The maps :
- 2v2 maps -
/
/
/
/
/
/
> Abandoned / stand-by maps :
- Celtic Winter - by james.bong
https://resource.openra.net/maps/27578/ - viewtopic.php?p=307830#p307830- Diffraction - by FRenzy, (SoScared)
https://resource.openra.net/maps/27560/ - viewtopic.php?p=307796#p307796- Burning Plain - by james.bong
https://resource.openra.net/maps/25365 - viewtopic.php?p=306358#p306358- Coldsnap - by Blackened
https://resource.openra.net/maps/25731/ - viewtopic.php?p=306518#p306518- Tyrants, by Blackened
https://resource.openra.net/maps/26656 - viewtopic.php?p=303317#p303317- Climax - by Wippie
https://resource.openra.net/maps/27152/ - viewtopic.php?p=303186#p303186- Doublestep - by (SoScared), FRenzy
https://resource.openra.net/maps/25381/ - viewtopic.php?p=303067#p303067
- Mad Science - by (PizzaAtomica), Blackened
viewtopic.php?p=303157#p303157 - viewtopic.php?p=305290#p305290
- 3v3 maps -
/
/
/
/
/
/
/
/
- Boiling Lakes - by eskimo
https://resource.openra.net/maps/27659/ - viewtopic.php?p=307880#p307880- Frostmourne - by FRenzy
https://resource.openra.net/maps/27557/ - viewtopic.php?p=307761#p307761- Daybreak - by FRenzy
http://resource.openra.net/maps/23374/ - viewtopic.php?p=305289#p305289- Outward Gumption - by Mo
https://resource.openra.net/maps/25163/ - viewtopic.php?p=306277#p306277- Union Sacree - by FRenzy
https://resource.openra.net/maps/25449/ - viewtopic.php?p=306254#p306254- River Aurora - by Blackened
http://resource.openra.net/maps/23374/ - viewtopic.php?p=305289#p305289- River Borealis - by Blackened
https://resource.openra.net/maps/25707 - viewtopic.php?p=305289#p305289- Zen Attitude - by Materianer
https://resource.openra.net/maps/27214 - viewtopic.php?p=303091#p303091- Jungle Law - by FRenzy
https://resource.openra.net/maps/25382/ - viewtopic.php?p=303036#p303036
> Abandoned / stand-by maps :
- Powdered Shambles - by Materia
https://resource.openra.net/maps/24939/ - viewtopic.php?p=306249#p306249
Deleted by FRenzy on Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:47 pm
Re: Team maps Mapmaking Workshop (2v2, 3v3)
Decided to make my map from scratch, and was going to submit it to the map contest, but misunderstood the submission rules, so here:
Human Ambition 2
NerevarII
Modded Map
https://resource.openra.net/maps/27719/
Map screenshot (obtaining....please stand by....)
Description of yaml/lua changes (included in map yaml files, and a mesage is displayed ingame after you pick the map.
.
.
I have to fix a few tiles, and try to make the symmetry purrfect without messing it up. Also, any other changes as necessary.
If my map wins, I want the money donated to a cause.
If you like the map but not the rules, here's a link to the map without any custom rules: https://resource.openra.net/maps/27717/
Maybe I should've used the map tool to draw it out in paint and have the map generated, as I messed symmetry up by not paying attention, although for doing it by hand, it turned out well. IIRC other maps I've made from scratch that are "serious" I made symmterical easily, and I hope to continue to live up to that standard.
A revision will be out soon, at an undisclosed time.
Human Ambition 2
NerevarII
Modded Map
https://resource.openra.net/maps/27719/
Map screenshot (obtaining....please stand by....)
Description of yaml/lua changes (included in map yaml files, and a mesage is displayed ingame after you pick the map.
.
.
I have to fix a few tiles, and try to make the symmetry purrfect without messing it up. Also, any other changes as necessary.
If my map wins, I want the money donated to a cause.
If you like the map but not the rules, here's a link to the map without any custom rules: https://resource.openra.net/maps/27717/
Maybe I should've used the map tool to draw it out in paint and have the map generated, as I messed symmetry up by not paying attention, although for doing it by hand, it turned out well. IIRC other maps I've made from scratch that are "serious" I made symmterical easily, and I hope to continue to live up to that standard.
A revision will be out soon, at an undisclosed time.
Re: Team maps Mapmaking Workshop (2v2, 3v3)
Hello there, I've finished and published my 3v3 maps : Daybreak and Frostmourne.
Daybreak - viewtopic.php?p=307706#p307706
Frostmourne - viewtopic.php?p=307761#p307761
I've been inspired by N/a's addition of Adv. PP in his maps to add various capturable elements in these maps.
Particularly in the map Frostmourne, this takes the form of 3 types of strategical points to capture :
- Economy points : 1 (empty) Refinery + 1 Oil derrick
- Outpost points : 1 Forward Command + 1 Soviet Barracks + neutral Heavy and Medium tanks
- Support points : 1 Comm. Center + 1 Adv. PP + 1 Ukraine Airfield with its support powers (incl. parabombs)
I believe this will add more strategical depth to the game. With different advantages given by each capture point, players will have to choose which one they should capture first according to their strategy. This might open more build orders, for instance :
- Capturing the Outpost or the Eco point could allow for earlier tech
- Capturing the Support could allow for a more low-tech, high expand approach
- Not capturing at all, while rushing enemy bases at start
- and their respective counter-strategies ...
Enjoy !
Daybreak - viewtopic.php?p=307706#p307706
Frostmourne - viewtopic.php?p=307761#p307761
I've been inspired by N/a's addition of Adv. PP in his maps to add various capturable elements in these maps.
Particularly in the map Frostmourne, this takes the form of 3 types of strategical points to capture :
- Economy points : 1 (empty) Refinery + 1 Oil derrick
- Outpost points : 1 Forward Command + 1 Soviet Barracks + neutral Heavy and Medium tanks
- Support points : 1 Comm. Center + 1 Adv. PP + 1 Ukraine Airfield with its support powers (incl. parabombs)
I believe this will add more strategical depth to the game. With different advantages given by each capture point, players will have to choose which one they should capture first according to their strategy. This might open more build orders, for instance :
- Capturing the Outpost or the Eco point could allow for earlier tech
- Capturing the Support could allow for a more low-tech, high expand approach
- Not capturing at all, while rushing enemy bases at start
- and their respective counter-strategies ...
Enjoy !
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: Sleipnir and 0 guests