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Post by Christian »

Yes a heavy tank is better than a medium tank if you don´t take the price into consideration. But adjusting for their price (35% more expensive than medium tanks) they don´t really have an advantage over medium tanks - they are just slower.

I tested it out before and from my testings heavy tanks are at most equal to medium tanks in tank battles but even then medium tanks possibly got a very small advantage and that´s not even taking their faster speed into consideration.

If you could only build medium or heavy tanks there´s no reason to choose heavy tanks over medium tanks really. Medium tanks are clearly better.

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klaas wrote: Thanks SoScared. I once tested it with Ozzy, and if you play Allies vs Soviets, only building tanks, the Allies have a clear advantage. This is even without the advantage the Medium tanks have in crushing infantry.
this is just bullshit² ...

i play this since fucking 2011 ... and the tanks havent been changed since fucking 2011 ... "medium tanks" arent better then "heavys" ... they are "worse" then heavy tanks , if anything

and a single arbitrary test wont change that fact ... i love how all the the "soviet fanboyismn" out of the sudden declare the allies tank as "strong"

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Matching up Medium Tanks vs Heavy Tanks in massive numbers should hypothetically favor the Medium Tanks given its' speed would quicker form a concave on the Heavy Tanks.

@MicroBit: Wasn't the Heavy Tank cheaper before tho? Like $1000 or $1050?
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release 20110320

- Heavy tank cost reduced from 1200 to 1150

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Regardless, what if the Heavy Tank got a modest 50HP increase (9%) - 600HP instead of 550HP?

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Because the Heavy Tank evidently underperforms against the Medium Tank.

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i found it funny that you just figured that out "now" ...after playing OpenRA for years ...

dont you think that having the artys nerfed ... and buffing the heavy tanks ... sounds a bit unfair ? considering theres not a "major" problem with em ...

i mean , we play tournys and leagues with those units , as they are ... right now

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Come to think of it, there's not neccessarily a problem with the Medium Tank being a better tank. Plus seeing how the use of tanks currently revolves around infantry support it could pose a threat to balance beefing up the Heavy Tanks HP, given the strength of the Soviet infantry.
JOo wrote: i mean , we play tournys and leagues with those units , as they are ... right now
You're right about that. I guess you just bring out the opponent within me MicroBit :D

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SoScared wrote: Come to think of it, there's not neccessarily a problem with the Medium Tank being a better tank.
Not per se, but tanks are pretty iconic for the game, and in their current state heavy tanks are just not worth their money. I'm pretty sure if they are not improved, they will barely be used in competitive matches in the next release.

We've already seen some of the soviet-only players shift away from them, for good reason.

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I dot think that these heavytanks need a buff.
I heard that artys already get that rangenerf if you make heavys stronger then soviets would get too powerfull maybe.
I am often playing as any faction and i'm already feeling a bit weak when playing as britain or france the soviet specials nuketruck and dropbombs are really strong.
Germany got the superchrono + chronotanks thats also good.
fakestructures are shizzl in my opinion but a nice feature cause its original.
And the britain spy is also not so strong because if you use many they mostly get shot because the opponent knows and snipes them out.
What i want to say is that you need to watch out if you change a unit, i like playing as anyfaction and would be sad if i loose so often then hehe

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Post by Medium Tank »

I'll start off by saying Medium Tanks are trash and who wants anything to do with them, am I right? However in all seriousness I don't think this is a huge issue but one that is interesting to talk about.

We've already seen some of the soviet-only players shift away from them, for good reason.
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Klaas hit the nail on the head in my opinion. When APC's became a big thing it was because they overall out performed heavy tanks. They crush much better, they have comparable armor to tank for your inf., they are cheaper than heavy tanks and do not require a service depot.

If something isn't broken don't fix it and I don't think this is in desperate need of drastic repairs. The game and the competitive players still use heavy tanks and still win. I just urge to everyone that just because something might not be 100% accurate, like how a Medium Tank = Heavy Tank, that it doesn't need to be changed in such a way to make it throw the feel of the game off. This made sense in my head, hope that y'all get it as well.

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