Recon Bikes

AoAGeneral · Post by **AoAGeneral** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:12 pm

The price increase to 600$ is debatable. I can see why the price was increased to certian lengths.

However this created a problem. The build time is no longer 12seconds but 15 seconds. Which is exactly the same as the flame tanks and light tanks. Medium tanks are 20 seconds and APCs are 15 seconds aswell.

This creates issues GDI vs Nod scenarios where GDI units can easily build on par with the bikes and outperform aswell. The APCs were a great counter to the bikes mixed with infantry. Nod vs Nod scenarios you can use infantry or bikes mixed with light tanks. Light tanks mixed with infantry also helps since light tanks are fast moving vehicles.

But with the decrease in build times this creates scenario battles where the effective counters to AGTs (Advanced Guard Towers) and tanks in itself alot harder. As they dont churn out quite fast enough.

The missile reduction in speed is a sound ideas aswell but also creates problems vs air units as they were already able to dodge the missiles in the first place.

What are you're thoughts on this?

Prince Blueblood · Post by **Prince Blueblood** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:00 am

the newest release

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But well? Nod Recon Bike price up to $600? Did GDI humvee also get equivalent price increase? Or did they actually buffed out the HP?

But yeah, Nod attack bike rush is too good... having both on giving and receiving end on this tactics (more often receiving) maybe this is for better mp

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AoAGeneral · Post by **AoAGeneral** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:13 am

You missed the post.

I am speaking about build times queues. The bikes used to be 12 seconds to build. They are now 15 seconds.

The same build times as the light tanks and flame tanks. Which is also the same build time for the APCs. (Which the APCs were the perfect counter to bike spam and rushes)

So not talking about the price, speed, damage, or hp. Im talking about the build times.

Nod is about fast unit constructions and flanks. Bikes are currently building way to slow to keep up with GDI. Specialy since as mentioned APCs have always countered against the bike rushes and spams.

Prince Blueblood · Post by **Prince Blueblood** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 2:19 am

Oh well, I want to refrain from commenting before I played several matches with them.

I did think Recon Bikes should be cheaper, but then I noticed speed increase relative to the other vehicles. But then I noticed their missiles are less effective now.

Oh dang, I think before the Devs decides to do a patch to reduce Recon bike cost to $500, OR actually buffed their attacks to match their cost (so they should be able to win vs APC with proper micro), I'll stick to infantry defense first before switching to Arty-Chem-Light-SAM spam late game.

AoAGeneral · Post by **AoAGeneral** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 12:34 pm

Bikes were always 500$. Which is the same price in CNC95.

The bikes are used for countering mammoths and various other vehicles aswell as keeping the enemy from expansion.

Bikes should not beable to counter APCs however otherwise bikes would be the dominating unit that is able to outrun infantry.

The games ive been playing however, ive been doing straight tech builds as GDI vs Nod players and they cant do much about it at the moment. Bikes take to long to build. I can get medium tanks out and going in 4 min where the bikes used to be out and going in about 2 min.

The 2 min bike control prevented people from going straight to medium tanks and if they do were punished for doing so. If however they did realize they were doing bikes can go the APC route instead. Which would then cause the GDI player to stall on his tech build for some time. Which allows Nod to either catch up or get ahead.

Prince Blueblood · Post by **Prince Blueblood** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:13 pm

In the latest stable release 20141029, recon bikes cost $600 and actually weaker than previous stable release...

AoAGeneral · Post by **AoAGeneral** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:42 am

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029 is the current. Everything before 029 was not weaker nor costed 600$. You arent making sense to me.

Prince Blueblood · Post by **Prince Blueblood** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 6:16 am

im sorry but I'm not really understand you

AoAGeneral · Post by **AoAGeneral** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:19 pm

Also found out rather recently that missiles cant hit Stealth Tanks because they are to slow. Before bikes were good vs Stealth Tanks because they fired a little faster then them. Stealth Tanks were made to kill hard targets and not light targets. Using Stealth Tanks was not a good viable against bikes and since bikes move faster then Stealth Tanks you can catch them. But now the missiles cant.

This of course was not found out since alot of people didnt use Stealth Tanks but ive started playing around with them in recent games.