The group stage is complete, most players have finished the season, so we're looking for feedback on how the season went. Is there anything you think we can improve for a Season 15?
Pre-season we saw a lot of discussion about division assignments. Is this something we should look to change? For clarity I'm planning to keep the same system for S15 because players who have completed this season have already "won" their positions in the continuity rankings - particularly in Minions this is the prize that they were playing for. However we could potentially do something different going into S16.
Last season a lot of the feedback was around delays and so we updated the rules around this. How do you think the new rules are?
Red Alert Global League: Season 14 - Feedback
Re: Red Alert Global League: Season 14 - Feedback
Some feedback from the competitive Discord.
On the topic of creo forfeiting in the playoffs:
From the feedback channel:
On the topic of creo forfeiting in the playoffs:
despro wrote: damn that triple letter guy is corrupt as fk
draggin someone in to play bronze who didnt play n either of the semis
just give default win u dirty corrupt man
this is just awkward mate, imagine if both semi losers dropped and u had to drag 2 in to play a bronze match
(This one was a joke, but I think it's relevant since there could be issues if players leave the Discord during the playoffs)Mint wrote: Unano left this discord. It should be me in the bronze match
Also fazzar left the discord too, so I should be given bronze by default
From the feedback channel:
Blackened wrote: For situations where a set doesn't get finished, be it regular season or playoffs, I think the best course of action is to send it to admin review and let them decide. If they it didn't get finished because of extenuating circumstances then maybe an admin delay in playing is permissible. Other than that it should probably just be granted as a win to the other player.
If its playoffs then I dont think that person should be replaced for bronze match. Just grant the other 3rd. Especially considering bronze gets money right?
/2cents
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Re: Red Alert Global League: Season 14 - Feedback
On the topic of joint second place in Minions:
tux wrote: @tttppp do people in second spot get promoted
.won wrote: Usually yes
But it depends on number of open master spots
But I would say 2nd in minions is pretty much a lock
milkman wrote: Yes that is what anjew said. Masters top 4, minions top 2 are basically guaranteed masters for next season
tttppp wrote: You and Margot came joint second, and the tie breaker for the continuity ranking is:
Points (both tied on 14)
Head-to-head result from this season (1-1)
Fewer strikes (both tied on 0)
Length of current streak of completed RAGL seasons (both tied on 1)
Lower forum id -> tux comes out ahead of Margot
So assuming everyone signs up again the continuity ranking for S15 will have you 6th: Masters1, Masters2, upps, Masters3, Masters4, tux, ...
There's a weird edge case that if 17 players sign up we get only 9 people in Masters, and in that case you could miss out
Most likely is that Margot would be in Masters too, but 3rd place in Minions is 9th place on the continuity rankings, and so much less certain to make it
tux wrote: but margot and I are tied right
Widow and tux then both expressed concern over "lower forum id" being used as a tie break.tttppp wrote: You're tied for this season, but there are no ties in the continuity ranking (or the ladder ranking)
anjew wrote: The lower the older the account
Weird metric but there isn’t much else
Unless we wanna go through games for who got the best $/kills or most harvester snipes or something arbitrary like that
milkman wrote: could add results against the next highest ranked players into the equation. in this case you'd draw a triple comparison with upps in the mix and you'd already get a decision. if that does not help, add the next player to the mix etc.
(I had to clarify, but "point score" means the in-game score at the end of a game)Blackened wrote: Just add up their point scores in the matches they played. If those remained tied than yall should play the lottery together
tttppp wrote: OhOk - that's a possible route except I'd have to manually find it out
Could do most rifles queued![]()
(Not) New wrote: Why not do a bo5 between the two on ladder?
anjew wrote: well the idea is to avoid that, there isnt a minions playoffs for a similiar reason
i believe the idea is to avoid "putting pressure on players to play after the standard end of season (especially given there's no prize at stake for lower divisions)"
(Not) New wrote: What about using the results of season 18 on milkmans ladder for promotion? In the time between ragl 14 and 15, both players could grind ladder.
tttppp wrote: The issue is that it's possible that neither player will play the ladder. Currently the ladder is pretty active, but in the past there have been periods with low activity. Also some players basically only play RAGL, so it wouldn't help break a tie then
Since we already have half the division assignment based on the ladder (RAGL ladder, but including ladder) then I didn't really want the continuity ranking to be based on the same thing
I couldn't find any response to this, but the answers are:(Not) New wrote: Ok, I forgot you already factored in ladder. What makes up the other half of division assignment? Also, taking the tux and margot example, if margot got near to the top of milkmans ladder next season, would that override tux’s lower forumn number?
- Division assignment is half from "continuity" (results in previous season(s)) and half from the ladder (the RAGL ladder rankings).
- If Margot was in the top five ladder spots from the registering players then they would qualify above tux (who's 6th spot from being 2nd in Minions).
Re: Red Alert Global League: Season 14 - Feedback
On the topic of the removed Minions prize (which was there until Season 12):
(Not) New wrote: Is the reason minions doesnt have a prizefund for 1st, 2nd and 3rd because of smurfing/sandbagging?
Blackened wrote: sandbagging
playing down at a lower skill than you should
Re: Red Alert Global League: Season 14 - Feedback
Suggestions around map picks in Playoffs.
(Not) New wrote: Any thoughts on using the two-point lead scoring rule, for RAGL playoffs in the future?
tttppp wrote: I think the biggest issue is really the size of the map pool. We could say that maps could be reused after some point, but it gets complicated to keep track of which maps are permitted
(Not) New wrote: So one map is banned each game, and that map cant be used for the rest of the playoff?
.won wrote: No it’s only for that series
(Not) New wrote: How about this: players can veto a certain number of maps, and then have the remaining maps randomly selected from the pool by a streamer for each game in the series?
Blackened wrote: Streamers are great but sometimes games get played without them. Makes more sense to just let loser pick so that they can eek out any little "advantage" they can. And in a true competitive sense rng is bad
anjew wrote: When I originally joined RAGL I put a suggestion for a veto system similar how maps are picked in csgo
So for 9 maps you do: player 1 ban, p2 ban, p1 pick, p2 pick, p1 pick, p2 pick, p1 ban p2 ban and the map left over is the 5th one