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[Solved] - OpenRA 2019117 - Phase Transport group hug ???

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:57 pm
by Ronald
Hello All, I have the following question about this OpenRA unit behaviour:
- Version: OpenRA 20191117
- Gametype: Skirmish, Conquest
- Gameplay: 2 vrs 2 (1 FRENCH human player + 1 England Rush-AI bot vrs 2 Soviet Rush-AI bots)
- Mapname: Ascent (the one that comes with the above version

I'm using the French Phase transport to scout out enemy bases.
I make sure to not get noticed inside the enemy bases, remaining in stealth mode all the time, no shooting or anything.
I park my scout Phase Transporter somewhere on the map where no enemy unit has every been before

And then this phenomena happens:
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My parked French Phase Transporter:
- gets discovered some how by enemy AI-bot units?
- get a group-hug from the enemy AI-bot units?
- enemy units later move away to attack my visible base?

QUESTION:
1. How is it possible that a (invisible?) Phase Transporter gets discovered, when it has never broken its
"stealth mode" from the Warfactory by either unloading troops of shoot at enemy units?

NOTE:
This also happens when i "park" a recon (Soviet) submarine - in submerged state - near the shorelines of enemy bases
The submerged submarine still is able to attract AI-bot troops like a magnet :-) making a nice decoy

Re: OpenRA 2019117 - Phase Transport group hug ???

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:18 pm
by abcdefg30
Our AI is not very smart, but in some cases it is too 'smart': It trying to attack cloaked units is a bug (see OpenRA/OpenRA#3763)

Re: OpenRA 2019117 - Phase Transport group hug ???

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:09 am
by Ronald
Thanks for the acknowledgement and feedback abcdefg30.

Q1: Is this "feature" going to be fixed or does it remain [open]?

Q2: Can this "bug" be _a_ reason why - in human vrs AI-bot skirmish games - sometimes comes grinding to almost complete idle / halt?

Re: OpenRA 2019117 - Phase Transport group hug ???

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:20 am
by Ronald
An update on this experiment:
I used the French Phase Transporter this time as a "strategic weapon":
1. ! produced a lot of them (10-20)
2. I transported them to the (active) Ore/Gems field near the enemy base.
3. I spread 'm out all as "an invisible wall" on the fields 1st patches of minerals,
to peacefully deny the enemy to mine that Ore/Gems field.

This is what happened:
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First nothing happend and the Ore Truck did not pass them to mine Ore
Then a Soviet Shocktrooper, somehow started to attack them.

Re: OpenRA 2019117 - Phase Transport group hug ???

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:25 am
by Ronald
Update 2 on this experiment:
This time I used the French Phase Transporter as an Ore truck shepherd
1. I produced a lot of them (10-20).
2. I transported them to the (active) Ore/Gems field near the enemy base.
3. I waited until the enemy Ore Trucks started to mine that field.
4. Then moved in with the French Phase Transporter,to capture and hold the Ore Trucks.
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First nothing happened, the Ore Trucks remained at their location.
Then Rush AI-bot army appeared and started to attack the Phase Tanks, this time with Rockets.

Re: OpenRA 2019117 - Phase Transport group hug ???

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:38 am
by Punsho
Infantry detect stealth at 1 cell range, anti-ground defences detect in 6 cell range

Re: OpenRA 2019117 - Phase Transport group hug ???

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:07 am
by netnazgul
*since this release (previously there were a lot of arbitrary stealth detectors for each faction).

Re: OpenRA 2019117 - Phase Transport group hug ???

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:31 pm
by Ronald
Punsho wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:38 am
Infantry detect stealth at 1 cell range, anti-ground defences detect in 6 cell range
Thank you for the clarification Punsho.

Time to head back to the strategy drawing board :-)