Lets discuss Shock Troopers (Red Alert)

Post by **Murto the Ray** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:20 pm

Could you possibly post some replays up on here? It would be nice to see what kind of opponents you've been up against and whether it was their fault and not Ukraine's.

AoAGeneral1 · Post by **AoAGeneral1** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:54 am

Playing some games of RA I have some understanding with it now. (However am still not good)

Could we test in the bleed/playtest version to remove the 1000 vs no armor? So atleast they don't one shot infantry? Original RA they take 2 shots for e1 as their damage is base lined at 35.

Ive also noticed Demo trucks don't have an ability to right click/detonate on enemy targets. Is this a bug or intention?

Novastar · Post by **Novastar** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:43 am

Shock troopers are good. I like them. I would even use them if they were not so good. The shock trooper + Tesla tank combination is maybe not really good without anti air, but the constant zapping of every enemy in range is so satisfying.
Personally I would prefer stronger shock troopers with a higher price. The change of health 100 -> 80 and price 400 -> 450 or 500 sounds pretty good. Changing the health to 60 sounds pretty extreme - that's 40%. I didn't test it, but a small change would be better - if it is not enough, we can still change it again later.

dzine · Post by **dzine** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:17 am

How to nerf tesla inf ?

reduce speed a bit, they are carrying a backpack/heavy war gear

reduce hitpoints by 20% or more

price at $400 is ok , other inf cost $100 or so less, we have a nice price scale from 100 to 400 and its not the price as such that makes tesla inf OP its their damage dishing and absorbtion ability which is WAY over the top. Have no idea how that edit got thru playtest ! , so obviously OP as they are

NOTE : Price should not be the primary nerfing/buffing metric. All units should behave in a plausible manner, get their plausability right first THEN set the price after.

At the end of the day we dont want supermen wandering the battlefeild. If infantry are OP then its just detracting from reality and making tanks, planes and ships 2nd rank items when they should be 1st rank attackers

Tanya is a superwoman, but you only get one at a time and she has to be micromanaged to use C4 explosive. ( her pistol rate of fire still needs to be nerfed ) by at least 20%

dzine · Post by **dzine** » Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:45 am

Tanks got nerfed so much or left behind statwise so much that no one uses them

For over 100 years now tanks have been central to attack...only in openRA are they effectively nerfed to the point of unusability

Q how did this happen in the first place ?

Ref Do you think shock troopers should be nerfed?

You have to ask !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rather than randomly buff and nerf units in a never ending cyle, lets have a cohesive step wise plan to balance the gameplay.

anjew · Post by **anjew** » Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:31 pm

dzine wrote: ↑Tanks got nerfed so much or left behind statwise so much that no one uses them

For over 100 years now tanks have been central to attack...only in openRA are they effectively nerfed to the point of unusability

Q how did this happen in the first place ?

Ref Do you think shock troopers should be nerfed?

You have to ask !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rather than randomly buff and nerf units in a never ending cyle, lets have a cohesive step wise plan to balance the gameplay.

In the old game, tanks were the only useful units at all. OpenRA has made most if not all units more viable to use in competitive play.
Tanks get left behind so every game doesnt end up like this