Blocking a war factory or ore refinery
Blocking a war factory or ore refinery
deliberately getting your own tank destroyed to block things from working. Cheat move that should be removed? Or acceptable game tactic?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkLBFDzqo9c
In the game above, Microbit has abused this tactic successfully 5 out 8 attempts, using Light Tanks as the blockers.
I have them marked by time.
3:35 - Ore Refinery
3:50 - Fail
4:55 - Fail
7:15 - Ore Refinery
7:30 - Ore Refinery and then Barracks
8:30 - War Factory
9:35 - Fail
It's legal, but I consider it cheap.
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I'm only considering that the husks are only valid outside structures. Like a failed attack by the red side (in the game below on mark 15:15) when a tank exploded right into the choke point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T3ea-shXYs
In the game above, Microbit has abused this tactic successfully 5 out 8 attempts, using Light Tanks as the blockers.
I have them marked by time.
3:35 - Ore Refinery
3:50 - Fail
4:55 - Fail
7:15 - Ore Refinery
7:30 - Ore Refinery and then Barracks
8:30 - War Factory
9:35 - Fail
It's legal, but I consider it cheap.
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I'm only considering that the husks are only valid outside structures. Like a failed attack by the red side (in the game below on mark 15:15) when a tank exploded right into the choke point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T3ea-shXYs
We have made several attempts to fix this exploit:
https://github.com/OpenRA/OpenRA/pull/4941
https://github.com/OpenRA/OpenRA/pull/4867
https://github.com/OpenRA/OpenRA/pull/4517
Some will be shipped in the next playtest.
https://github.com/OpenRA/OpenRA/pull/4941
https://github.com/OpenRA/OpenRA/pull/4867
https://github.com/OpenRA/OpenRA/pull/4517
Some will be shipped in the next playtest.
Oh wow, geez, that IS cheap. I didn't realize it was that effective.. it always seemed to me that husks disappear pretty fast, but the husk was there for an awkwardly long time...sphyrth wrote: ↑http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkLBFDzqo9c
In the game above, Microbit has abused this tactic successfully 5 out 8 attempts, using Light Tanks as the blockers.
JOo = MicroBit
so let me make that clear , it IS a cheap tactic , and it HAS to be fixed .. and it exists now quite some time ...
it is annoying when it happens as early tactic to disturb the economy (aka. block warfs early , so harvester cant out , also blocking refs to stop harvesters unloading) ...
now its fixed , so dont worry about it
im also a fan of "pure skill" , so im happy with some changes against blocking !
but i had to point it out ... streamed games are actually one of the best ways to get ugly gameplay/strats/tactics quickly fixed (ask ripley about engineers)
specially when playing vs devs
so let me make that clear , it IS a cheap tactic , and it HAS to be fixed .. and it exists now quite some time ...
it is annoying when it happens as early tactic to disturb the economy (aka. block warfs early , so harvester cant out , also blocking refs to stop harvesters unloading) ...
now its fixed , so dont worry about it
im also a fan of "pure skill" , so im happy with some changes against blocking !
but i had to point it out ... streamed games are actually one of the best ways to get ugly gameplay/strats/tactics quickly fixed (ask ripley about engineers)
specially when playing vs devs
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Not if it's on a refinery, then you attack the refinery.
An idea is to make husks disappear sooner, based upon heaviness. Light tank disappears in 5-10 secs and only mammoths, harvesters and mcvs take the full time.
But a solution has been found? I do think it's a valid tactic, just way to easy, low risk and gamewinning. Flamethrowers in anapc actually are risky because of the cost.
An idea is to make husks disappear sooner, based upon heaviness. Light tank disappears in 5-10 secs and only mammoths, harvesters and mcvs take the full time.
But a solution has been found? I do think it's a valid tactic, just way to easy, low risk and gamewinning. Flamethrowers in anapc actually are risky because of the cost.
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Firstly:
Whilst it is irritating to have it done to you if you take it out before it does damage to your eco then you have put the other player behind. The light tank block-off is useful as long as you have a single refinery; with good macro a light tank shouldn't get to you before you have two refineries with a standard build. If it does then it means your opponent has sacrificed something early on for it; it may be eco or units. A few riflemen at key points should be able to detect a light tank in time to get a couple of rocket soldiers made. However, i do agree with changes such as target-able & crush-able husks etc. But then again, how are light tanks useful now?
IMO anything that can be done in the game is valid, even if it is unintended by developers. No such thing as a cheat move or "Cheap" move; cheap is really just another word for insanely time and resource efficient.zinc wrote: ↑ deliberately getting your own tank destroyed to block things from working. Cheat move that should be removed? Or acceptable game tactic?
Whilst it is irritating to have it done to you if you take it out before it does damage to your eco then you have put the other player behind. The light tank block-off is useful as long as you have a single refinery; with good macro a light tank shouldn't get to you before you have two refineries with a standard build. If it does then it means your opponent has sacrificed something early on for it; it may be eco or units. A few riflemen at key points should be able to detect a light tank in time to get a couple of rocket soldiers made. However, i do agree with changes such as target-able & crush-able husks etc. But then again, how are light tanks useful now?