Continuing from the previous post I wanted to have a look at some example games where missile silos were built. From Discord it seems clear that most people either want no change, or want a small reduction in the nuke timer. Additionally there were comments asking for both increased and decreased damage. One comment I thought was particularly worth mentioning was from Upps suggesting the lack of nukes fired is misleading since the silo puts pressure on the opponent to react, and they then need to attack the building which will cause them losses.
I ran a query for all games in S15 where someone built a missile silo:
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RAGL-S15-MASTER-ra-Server-2023-10-09T212834Z.orarep, Mo vs milkman, Snap [RAGL-15]
RAGL-S15-MINION-ra-Server-2023-10-13T133452Z.orarep, TTTPPP vs Nilhall, Bossman [RAGL-15]
RAGL-S15-MINION-ra-Server-2023-10-13T212248Z.orarep, goldie vs chouchani, Cow Level [RAGL-15]
RAGL-S15-MASTER-ra-Server-2023-10-15T151744Z.orarep, Kav vs ROCKhardFISTnips, Westworld [RAGL-15]
RAGL-S15-MINION-RAGL_S15_Minions_Tailix_Vs._Hans_G2.orarep, Nilhall vs Tailix Killa Mentor, Bossman [RAGL-15]
RAGL-S15-MINION-RAGL_S15_Minions_Tailix_Vs._Hans_G2.orarep, Tailix Killa Mentor vs Nilhall, Bossman [RAGL-15]
RAGL-S15-MASTER-ra-Server-2023-10-21T154903Z.orarep, Kav vs Mo, Bossman [RAGL-15]
RAGL-S15-MASTER-ra-Server-2023-10-22T193234Z.orarep, Blackened vs maceman, Overlook [RAGL-15]
RAGL-S15-MINION-ra-Server-2023-10-22T194647Z.orarep, BigHALK vs spetsnaz84, Cow Level [RAGL-15]
RAGL-S15-MINION-ra-Server-2023-11-05T170308Z.orarep, BigHALK vs fiwo, Timian v2 [RAGL-15]
RAGL-S15-MINION-ra-Server-2023-11-14T154220Z.orarep, Nilhall vs goldie, Pleasant Plains [RAGL-15]
RAGL-S15-PLAYOFF-ra-Server-2023-12-17T152145Z.orarep, not happy vs Kav, Timian v2 [RAGL-15]
Two of these silos were in the same game, so there were only eleven games to watch through. It's worth noting that missile silos (and tech in general) are seen a lot more in team games, but here is what the 1v1 analysis shows. In the following then the times the missile silos were built are rounded to the nearest 10 seconds (since I was fast forwarding through very long games).
RAGL-S15-MASTER-ra-Server-2023-10-09T212834Z.orarep, Mo vs milkman, Snap [RAGL-15] (Uncasted?)
Mo built missile silo at 25:50. Army lead 46k vs 35k. Nuke ended on 1:38 at 33:13.
Mo was already ahead when the missile silo was build. He used tanks, radar jammers and Tanya to wipe out milkman's infantry-only army and win the game.
RAGL-S15-MINION-ra-Server-2023-10-13T133452Z.orarep, TTTPPP vs Nilhall, Bossman [RAGL-15]
TTTPPP built missile silo at 21:20. Army deficit 14k vs 25k. Nuke ended on 5:55 at 25:22.
TTTPPP went low power after a demo truck at 24:30, and didn't recover before the game ended a minute later.
RAGL-S15-MINION-ra-Server-2023-10-13T212248Z.orarep, goldie vs chouchani, Cow Level [RAGL-15]
goldie build missile silo at 25:40. Army lead 15k v 6k. Nuke launched at 35:05.
chouchani tries to make a comeback for several minutes, but ultimately calls gg when he has next to nothing left. bete then asks to wait for the A bomb in chat. When finally ready (35 mins) there are no good targets and it destroys a ref and a rax.
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This is the only nuke seen in the whole of Season 15 and I was disappointed that it only came about as a collaboration between the two players.
RAGL-S15-MASTER-ra-Server-2023-10-15T151744Z.orarep, Kav vs ROCKhardFISTnips, Westworld [RAGL-15]
Kav built missile silo at 13:00. Army lead 26k v 10k. Nuke ended on 8:54 at 13:10.
Kav put down the silo 6 seconds before the end of the game. This match doesn't really add much to the analysis.
RAGL-S15-MINION-RAGL_S15_Minions_Tailix_Vs._Hans_G2.orarep, Nilhall vs Tailix Killa Mentor, Bossman [RAGL-15]
Tailix built missile silo at 16:40. Army deficit 51k vs 57k. Nuke ended on ~7:00 at 18:45.
Hans built missile silo at 17:20. Army lead 59k vs 17k. Nuke ended on 7:34 at 18:45.
This match was interesting due to being the only one where both players built a missile silo. Tailix got his down first when the armies were very even. Next Hans wiped Tailix's army and then placed his nuke. The 40k army wipe was unsurprisingly the game decider and Hans won the game 90 seconds later.
RAGL-S15-MASTER-ra-Server-2023-10-21T154903Z.orarep, Kav vs Mo, Bossman [RAGL-15] (Uncasted?)
Kav built missile silo at 10:50. Army deficit 18k vs 24k. Nuke ended on 3:18 at 16:35.
Although Kav was losing when he built a silo, he quickly outscaled Mo and won comfortably, with the nuke playing no part in the game.
RAGL-S15-MASTER-ra-Server-2023-10-22T193234Z.orarep, Blackened vs maceman, Overlook [RAGL-15]
Blackened built nuke at 25:30. Army lead 30k vs 16k. Nuke ended on 1:51 at 32:41.
Although Unano was losing when the silo was built he managed to come back to 24k all. Ultimately the game was decided by a Tanya engagement where Blackened wiped out Unano's army for very little loss.
The chat conversation towards the end summed things up:
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The game was really good, but the missile silo didn't really come into play.
RAGL-S15-MINION-ra-Server-2023-10-22T194647Z.orarep, BigHALK vs spetsnaz84, Cow Level [RAGL-15]
Hulk built missile silo at 28:00. Army lead 31k vs 17k. Nuke ended on 0:40 at 42:46.
The silo remained powered down despite available power for about 3 mins, and spets was able to come back to lead 34k vs 28k (despite using longbow crashes to clear Hulk's blob). Arguably spetsnaz the timer meant that spetsnaz had to raid Hulk's base, and with just 40 seconds left on the nuke timer he took out all but one power plant in exchange for a big chunk of his army. Due to having map control spetsnaz was still leading 32k over 15k after this and ultimately Hulk couldn't get the power back on.
RAGL-S15-MINION-ra-Server-2023-11-05T170308Z.orarep, BigHALK vs fiwo, Timian v2 [RAGL-15] (Uncasted?)
Hulk built missile silo at 20:50. Army lead 24k vs 9k. Nuke ended on 7:15 at 22:49.
Another Hulk game, but this time the missile silo came too late to play a part in the game.
RAGL-S15-MINION-ra-Server-2023-11-14T154220Z.orarep, Nilhall vs goldie, Pleasant Plains [RAGL-15]
Hans built missile silo at 19:40. Army lead 43k vs 17k. Nuke ended on 8:42 at 19:58.
Another game where the missile silo was built when the player was already in a winning position. Hans won the game about 20 seconds later.
RAGL-S15-PLAYOFF-ra-Server-2023-12-17T152145Z.orarep, not happy vs Kav, Timian v2 [RAGL-15]
happy built missile silo at 12:10. Army deficit 18k vs 43k. Nuke ends on 7:45 at 13:25.
The only example from the Season 15 playoffs. happy was already in a lot of trouble and had to place the silo in the middle of an engagement to try to tank. Kav actually ignored the missile silo and just wiped the army instead.
Summary
Collecting all the summary lines here to make it easy to compare.
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Mo built missile silo at 25:50. Army lead 46k vs 35k. Nuke ended on 1:38 at 33:13.
TTTPPP built missile silo at 21:20. Army deficit 14k vs 25k. Nuke ended on 5:55 at 25:22.
goldie build missile silo at 25:40. Army lead 15k v 6k. Nuke launched at 35:05.
Kav built missile silo at 13:00. Army lead 26k v 10k. Nuke ended on 8:54 at 13:10.
Tailix built missile silo at 16:40. Army deficit 51k vs 57k. Nuke ended on ~7:00 at 18:45.
Hans built missile silo at 17:20. Army lead 59k vs 17k. Nuke ended on 7:34 at 18:45.
Kav built missile silo at 10:50. Army deficit 18k vs 24k. Nuke ended on 3:18 at 16:35.
Blackened built nuke at 25:30. Army lead 30k vs 16k. Nuke ended on 1:51 at 32:41.
Hulk built missile silo at 28:00. Army lead 31k vs 17k. Nuke ended on 0:40 at 42:46.
Hulk built missile silo at 20:50. Army lead 24k vs 9k. Nuke ended on 7:15 at 22:49.
Hans built missile silo at 19:40. Army lead 43k vs 17k. Nuke ended on 8:42 at 19:58.
happy built missile silo at 12:10. Army deficit 18k vs 43k. Nuke ends on 7:45 at 13:25.
Overall it wouldn't be far wrong to say that missile silos made no impact in the whole of RAGL Season 15. The one time a nuke was launched then gg had already been called. The only time it was obvious that it changed an opponent's behaviour was in Hulk vs spetsnaz84, when spetsnaz targetted Hulk's power, but even in this game Hulk went from a winning position to losing the game.