If Hinds were returned to Soviets poll

Discussion about the game and its default mods.

If Hinds were returned to Soviets, the best way to do it would be:

Allies should have only 1 combat helicopter, just like the original game
2
13%
OpenRA style gameplay shoud be protected, by using a new design to replace the function of the Hind, (Cobra?) so Allies have basically the same air power as now
7
47%
OpenRA style gameplay should be protected, by having an Apache and modified Apache Longbow variant, so Allies have basically the same air power as now
1
7%
Some other option (please explain)
5
33%
 
Total votes: 15

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If Hinds were returned to Soviets poll

Post by zinc » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:15 pm

What is the best way to do it?

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Post by zinc » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:23 pm

For having both an Apache and Apache Longbow advanced variant, Inq posted:

Inq wrote:
I use both in my mod,

The telltale of a (Apache) Longbow is the dome on the top.

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Whereas the Apache does not,

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It could be done quite easily by editing the rotor, like below.

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Post by zinc » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:25 pm

If anyone can post the new design(s) that people previously created as a replacement for the Hind?

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Post by Nelax » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:38 pm

Are we rehashing this? I resubmit my vote for swapping the Hind out with the Iroquois that was already created as a replacement and making the Hind a non-buildable unit.

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Post by 3.Lucian » Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:50 am

Other:

IMO, Air balance is certainly not broken, but can probably be improved.

As for the actual unit appearance and name, I don't mind what its called so long as its clear by its name that there are two different units, and so long as that it is visually clear that it is one unit and not the other.

...balance, a little salt and pepper, call it done.

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Post by WhoCares » Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:26 am

Lets make it funnyer and more complicated

Soviet :

Airport : Only mig
helipad : chinook (but we will name it matroska for aesthetic purpose), hind (the great !)

Allies :

Airport : The spitfire (lets transfert the yak and name it spitfire because whynot), smitty's sniper drop
helipad : chinook and longbow !


Tadaaaaaaaaa

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Post by Clockwork » Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:59 am

WhoCares wrote: Lets make it funnyer and more complicated

Soviet :

Airport : Only mig
helipad : chinook (but we will name it matroska for aesthetic purpose), hind (the great !)

Allies :

Airport : The spitfire (lets transfert the yak and name it spitfire because whynot), smitty's sniper drop
helipad : chinook and longbow !


Tadaaaaaaaaa
I was linking up with my bro catgirls to mod in an AC130 for allies that has 3 switchable guns of an artillery shot, pillbox fire and a heavy tank shot. Using the badger as a model

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Post by IronScion » Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:00 pm

And you can garrison a Tanya in it too I guess?
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Post by Inq » Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:38 am

zinc wrote: If anyone can post the new design(s) that people previously created as a replacement for the Hind?
The Huey,

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https://ppmforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=43240

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Post by Materianer » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:08 pm

Hello? why cant i vote for "no change all is fine" here?

I voted "other" but that doesnt really fit.

Why no change?

There is no working solution for the known issues.
i'd say 1st make the modmaps then start the poll.

This way i need too much imagination on what could work.

Btw Huey, Cobra or blackhawk shps can be found in this map.

https://resource.openra.net/maps/17486/

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Post by avalach21 » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:47 pm

Materianer wrote: Hello? why cant i vote for "no change all is fine" here?

I voted "other" but that doesnt really fit.

Why no change?

There is no working solution for the known issues.
i'd say 1st make the modmaps then start the poll.

This way i need too much imagination on what could work.

Btw Huey, Cobra or blackhawk shps can be found in this map.

https://resource.openra.net/maps/17486/
Because the questions being asked is if the hind is returned to the Soviets, then what would be the best way to go about it..

Please share your thoughts in the other thread as to why you think the Hind should or should not be moved at all in the first place.

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Post by Materianer » Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:56 pm

avalach21 wrote:
Materianer wrote: Hello? why cant i vote for "no change all is fine" here?

I voted "other" but that doesnt really fit.

Why no change?

There is no working solution for the known issues.
i'd say 1st make the modmaps then start the poll.

This way i need too much imagination on what could work.

Btw Huey, Cobra or blackhawk shps can be found in this map.

https://resource.openra.net/maps/17486/
Because the questions being asked is if the hind is returned to the Soviets, then what would be the best way to go about it..

Please share your thoughts in the other thread as to why you think the Hind should or should not be moved at all in the first place.
On true but how can anyone answer this question without any chance of testing.

All these useless words and threads about something that never has been tested in any way is going on my nuts hehe thats why i made a first step here by uploading a map wich fits for answer 2
"OpenRA style gameplay shoud be protected, by using a new design to replace the function of the Hind, (Cobra?) so Allies have basically the same air power as now"

https://resource.openra.net/maps/26014/

Russia instead of being able to produce shoktrooper and teslatanks now can build a helipad and the hind.

Allies have the AH1-Cobra with same attributes like the hind.

I don't think that russia will be op or something they have no more factionspecific techunits anymore.

But enough of useless words now its up to you to test it :D

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Post by avalach21 » Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:28 pm

Materianer wrote:
avalach21 wrote:
Materianer wrote: Hello? why cant i vote for "no change all is fine" here?

I voted "other" but that doesnt really fit.

Why no change?

There is no working solution for the known issues.
i'd say 1st make the modmaps then start the poll.

This way i need too much imagination on what could work.

Btw Huey, Cobra or blackhawk shps can be found in this map.

https://resource.openra.net/maps/17486/
Because the questions being asked is if the hind is returned to the Soviets, then what would be the best way to go about it..

Please share your thoughts in the other thread as to why you think the Hind should or should not be moved at all in the first place.
On true but how can anyone answer this question without any chance of testing.

All these useless words and threads about something that never has been tested in any way is going on my nuts hehe thats why i made a first step here by uploading a map wich fits for answer 2
"OpenRA style gameplay shoud be protected, by using a new design to replace the function of the Hind, (Cobra?) so Allies have basically the same air power as now"

https://resource.openra.net/maps/26014/

Russia instead of being able to produce shoktrooper and teslatanks now can build a helipad and the hind.

Allies have the AH1-Cobra with same attributes like the hind.

I don't think that russia will be op or something they have no more factionspecific techunits anymore.

But enough of useless words now its up to you to test it :D
Haha yes there are some very strong opinions on all sides but you are so right.. no testing has been done. I agree that we should all help out and do some testing with an open mind and see what happens! Thanks for providing a test map :-)

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Post by Clockwork » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:23 pm

Materianer wrote:
avalach21 wrote:
Materianer wrote: Hello? why cant i vote for "no change all is fine" here?

I voted "other" but that doesnt really fit.

Why no change?

There is no working solution for the known issues.
i'd say 1st make the modmaps then start the poll.

This way i need too much imagination on what could work.

Btw Huey, Cobra or blackhawk shps can be found in this map.

https://resource.openra.net/maps/17486/
Because the questions being asked is if the hind is returned to the Soviets, then what would be the best way to go about it..

Please share your thoughts in the other thread as to why you think the Hind should or should not be moved at all in the first place.
On true but how can anyone answer this question without any chance of testing.

All these useless words and threads about something that never has been tested in any way is going on my nuts hehe thats why i made a first step here by uploading a map wich fits for answer 2
"OpenRA style gameplay shoud be protected, by using a new design to replace the function of the Hind, (Cobra?) so Allies have basically the same air power as now"

https://resource.openra.net/maps/26014/

Russia instead of being able to produce shoktrooper and teslatanks now can build a helipad and the hind.

Allies have the AH1-Cobra with same attributes like the hind.

I don't think that russia will be op or something they have no more factionspecific techunits anymore.

But enough of useless words now its up to you to test it :D
Could you also put the changes on the RAGL maps please :)

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Post by Materianer » Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:23 pm

Happy wrote: Could you also put the changes on the RAGL maps please :)
Okay done i chose 3 RAGL:S4 maps from resourcecenter.

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A Nuclear Winter
https://resource.openra.net/maps/26021/

Comes with the Ah1-Cobra scaled down by 90% because it was designated by Gabesz as i found out that also makes it easier to differentiate it from the hind.

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Borrowed Time
https://resource.openra.net/maps/26020/

Comes with the Comanche, please note that i fixed some cliff errors here in the middle of the map but shouldńt effect gameplay.

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Siberian Summer
https://resource.openra.net/maps/26019/

Comes with the Huey but not Mortechas version will try to add hims in future versions maybe.

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Tournament Island
https://resource.openra.net/maps/26018/

TourneyIsland because its my ultimate testing map comes with the AH1-Cobra with normal scale of 1 so it is a bit bigger than the one on nuklear winter.

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Have fun with testing this and thank you to Gabesz for the helicopters and mgunsound.

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